Black or Black?

[Avalion]

Which one of these horses is black? And what does that make the other one?

Busy Earnin'

Make Me A Bird

[Blue Rose Ranch]

Busy Earnin' is black.
Make Me A Bird is grullo (black + dun).

[Alana]

There are different shades of black though, trained horses are generally shinier for lack of a better word and some horses that have the Turkmene breed in their history can have a breed specific shine to their coat.

[Avalion]

Hmm so is Make Me a Bird grullo or just a different shade of black? How can I tell?

[Alana]

Well he has faint stripes on his legs and if you remove the saddlepad you can see a faint dorsalstripe aswell as the darker area around the withers

[Avalion]

Okay thank you

So this horse would also be grullo?
Moonsea

[Alana]

Based on pedigree and a visible dorsal stripe yes I would call that a Black Dun aka Grullo or Grulla depending on gender they are really gorgeous with the Dun on a black base