Frost’s Guide To Competition Success

[Frost]

Hello everyone. I wanted to share to information I’ve gathered.
These % and numbers may not be 100% accurate and guaranteed please note these are just what data I have personally collected in my time here.

Each competition has a evaluation that makes a horse good or bad at that discipline.

Height effects competition.
Weight effects competition.
Temperament effects competition.
However just as important the horses conformation such as body type and build effect competition.
There has been some speculation that age and “heart” or just luck will also have an effect.

To find your horses evaluation just grab a breed eval book does not matter the breed and evaluate your horse.
You will be given the horse’s below information

Height
Build
Body Size
Type

Example

16.3
Light
25%
83%

How does this effect comp? Each competition has a criteria based in these %s.

For example the Racing Criteria as it is known to me:

Racing:
Speed, Stamina, Strength
Here are racings criteria as is known currently-
Height 18h+
Horse Type Light
Mod-Thin
Spirited
Body size 25% (15-30% works but 25 seems best)
Horse Type 83% (80-85 works but 83 seems best)
HGP 61k+
Speed 60+
Strength 30+
Stamina 40+
Speed+Strength+Stamina needs to add up to at least 140


Each discipline has its own unique criteria.
I’ll post below what data I have again please note it may not be 100% accurate I don’t comp all of these disciplines and you may end up finding more finite numbers.

Height:
Type:
Weight:
Temperament :
Body Size
Type:
HGP:

Barrel Racing:
Agility, Speed, Strength, Balance
13.2h
Pony Type Med Light
Moderately Fleshy Weight
Spirited Temperament
Body Size 50%
Type 5%
Agility 50
Speed 50
Strength 30
Balance 30
HGP 64k+

Cross Country:
Stamina, Strength, Agility, Balance
16h+
Horse Type Med Light
Moderate Weight
Spirited Temperament
Body Size 50%
Type 50%
Stamina 60
Strength 50
Agility 40
Balance 25
63k HGP+

Cutting:
Height: 15.3h
Type: Horse Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament : Even-Tempered
Body Size 63%
Type: 52%
HGP: 60k+
Agility: 55
Intelligence N/A(High BR Comment)
Strength 30
Speed 30

Dressage:
Height: 18h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament : Calm/Bombproof
Body Size: 80%
Type: 50%
HGP: 66k+
Movement 65
Balance 40
Tempo 30
Strength 25

Driven Dressage:
Height: 17h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament : Calm/Bombproof
Body Size: 55%
Type: 55%
HGP: 64k+
Movement 65
Balance 35
Strength 30
Tempo 25

Endurance:
Height: 16h
Type: Horse Type Very Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament : BombProof
Body Size: 5%
Type: 95%
HGP: 66k+
Stamina: 60
Speed: 45
Agility: 40
Tempo: 30

Harness Racing:
Height: 18.2h
Type: Horse Type Very Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 22%
Type: 95%
HGP: 67k+
Speed 60
Stamina 40
Strength 30
Tempo 30

Hunter:
Height: Unknown
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 70%
Type: 50%
HGP: 65k+
Movement: 60
Strength 35
Tempo: 30
Balance: 30

In Hand Jumping:
Height: 8h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 50%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k+
Intelligence: N/A(High BR Comment)
Agility: 45
Strength: 45
Stamina: 45

Log Pull:
Height: 17h
Type: Pony Type- Very Heavy
Weight: Mod-Fleshy
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 95%
Type: 95%
HGP: 65k
Strength: 65
Stamina: 40
Movement: 35
Tempo: 20

Marathon Driving:
Height: Unknown (Speculation Short)
Type: Horse Type Medium Heavy
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 95%
Type: 50%
HGP: 64k
Strength: 65
Stamina: 50
Tempo: 30
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)

Obstical Driving:
Height: 14h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 90%
Type: 55%
HGP: 64k
Strength: 60
Agility: 50
Stamina: 50
Balance: 20

Pole Bending:
Height: 14h
Type: Horse Type Med-Light
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 60%
Type: 70%
HGP: 64k
Speed: 60
Agility: 50
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Balance: 30

Racing:
Height: 18h+
Type: Horse Type Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 25%
Type 83%
HGP 61k+
Speed 60
Strength 30
Stamina 40

Reining:
Height: 15h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Even Tempered
Body Size: 65%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k
Agility: 50
Strength: 40
Movement: 30
Balance: 25

Saddleseat:
Height: 15h
Type: Horse-Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 15%
Type: 80%
HGP: 63k+
Balance: 57
Agility: 42
Movement: 40
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)

Show Jumping:
Height: 20h
Type: Pony Type Med-Heavy
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 95-100%
Type: 60%
HGP: 68k+ HGp
Balance: 60
Strength: 40
Agility: 50
Speed: 30

Sprint Racing:
Height: 18h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 95%
Type: 55%
HGP: 60k+
Speed: 50
Strength: 40
Agility: 35

Steeplechase:
Height: 18h
Type: Horse Type Light
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 50%
Type: 85%
HGP: 64k+
Speed: 60
Agility: 45
Strength: 35
Stamina: 30

Western Pleasure:
Height: Unknown (Speculation Tall)
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 90%
Type: 50%
HGP: 67k+
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Balance: 60
Movement: 50
Tempo: 40

Western Trail:
Height: 15h+
Type: Pony Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Calm
Body Size: 50%
Type: 60%
HGP: 65k+
Agility: 50
Balance: 45
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Stamina: 30

Working Ranch:
Height: 16h+
Type: Pony Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Fleshy
Temperament: Even Tempered
Body Size: 50%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k+
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Agility: 50
Balance: 45
Strength: 40



How To Breed A World Record Breaker

Step One
Feed Horse 95% Yellow Corn

Step Two
Keep Horse In Barn

Step Three
Wait Till Horse Is 5 Years Old
Why 5?
At 5 Horses Stop Growing, There Are Now Zero Variables
IF
Horse Is Poor Weight(Lowest It Can Possibly Go)
Horse Is The Tallest It Will Ever Be (Done Growing)
Horse Is Completely High Strung (Temperament UnChanging)
ABSOLUTELY NO Training Prior To Testing


Step Four
Enter Local Shows Level 10
Record Results

Step Five
Record And Train Only The Best Scoring Horses
(Test at least 10 Locals)

Step Six
Only Breed Top Scoring Horses
Mares Will NOT Score As Well As Stallions. Figure Out What Scores You Desire For Breeding Stock Yourself.


Approximate Times Needed For Untrained Stallions To Beat Records

Barrels
24.05
Cross Country
33.8
Cutting
9.65
Dressage
33.89
Driven Dressage
38.77
Endurance
Final Score: 22.86
Harness Racing
02:53.59
Hunter
32.63
In Hand Jumping
Final Score: 02:13.34
Log Pull
41.6
Marathon Driving
30.9
Obstacles Driving
40.8
Pole Bending
31.30
Racing
02:16.79
Reining
38.15
Saddleseat
52.36
Show Jumping
Final Score:
03:28.20
Sprint Racing
44.94
Steeple Chase
11:43.46
Western Pleasure
41.30
Western Trail
39.87
Working Ranch
42.42


Note The Listed Times Are Approximation For RECORDS Not Just To Be Decent But Don’t Guarantee A Record.
Individual Heart In Competition As Well As YOUR Ability To Train And Compete Will Be A Massive Factor In Your Horses Performance In Actual Competitions.

Weight And Temperament For a Competition Are VERY Important Down To A Fine %. Test Your Trained Horses Thoroughly And Freeze Them When Competitive For Best Results.

Horses Build, Stats,HGP, And Height Are Still Important So The Above Discipline Guide Can Help There.

Also I’m Fairly Certain That Once COI Hits Around 100-120% Has Minimal Effects Anyways So Inbreed Away.



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I also like to add I know a lot of people test newborns the reasons that does not work consistently is there are to many variables. Height is changing each turn which means weight is changing each turn as weight is not consistent until height has topped out(age 5) and temperament in newborns is inconsistent. Temperament isnt just bombproof-highstrung its a scale image a 0-100 and each set of numbers is a temperament. Say 0-19 bombproof 20-39 is calm 40-59 is even tempered 60-79 is spirited and 80-100 is highstrung. Just because a horse says its a temperament like high strung doesn’t mean its the right number. You may need an 80(like with racing) but have a 95. By taking a 5yr old who is done growing and has been consistently fed yellow corn you can strip away all variables leaving only the horses final natural ability to show in locals.

Basically when adjusting the weight and temperament you have to find the exact spot of perfect on the scale before competition. Your best bet is to slowly adjust and then freeze to compete.



Cheers!

[Frost]

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[Sawd10]

Thank you for the ping as well as sharing the information you had gathered with the community. The disciplines you have strength in look as accurate as possible with the current information we (community) have. The other disciplines have a higher-than-base offering. Also all of the information takes from the Record Holders, which is a good touch, rather than the given discipline having a base with seemingly higher requirements to fulfill that in the end probably would not matter too much.
Overall a nice addition to the communities competition help guides... It will be much easier to link this to someone instead of having the need to explain what is good (and what is not, on this note.) for each discipline. Not to mention this would be helpful information to come back to for quite literally any aged player, not just new ones. I will likely end up coming back here if I start a new project.

[BlackOak2]

Thank you for sharing!
I'll be linking this under Competition & Breeding Studies rather than another heading. I've been meaning to revamp the way that's been set up. -_- Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Very interesting to hear of success and failures using this data. Specifically on height and age. Height is something I've only speculated about with a few people and not calculated that into any of my current data.

[Frost]

*Updates made to In Hand Jumping and Saddleseat*

[Frost]

Updates made to Western Trail and Working Ranch

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[h0rsey]

Thank you, this is very helpful!!

[BlackOak2]

Lots of good, solid tips. Thank you for all this hard work. It's already a part of my quicklinks so, it's not going anywhere.

[Seattle_Baby_96]

Hello everyone. I wanted to share to information I’ve gathered.
These % and numbers may not be 100% accurate and guaranteed please note these are just what data I have personally collected in my time here.

Each competition has a evaluation that makes a horse good or bad at that discipline.

Height effects competition.
Weight effects competition.
Temperament effects competition.
However just as important the horses conformation such as body type and build effect competition.
There has been some speculation that age and “heart” or just luck will also have an effect.

To find your horses evaluation just grab a breed eval book does not matter the breed and evaluate your horse.
You will be given the horse’s below information

Height
Build
Body Size
Type

Example

16.3
Light
25%
83%

How does this effect comp? Each competition has a criteria based in these %s.

For example the Racing Criteria as it is known to me:

Racing:
Speed, Stamina, Strength
Here are racings criteria as is known currently-
Height 18h+
Horse Type Light
Mod-Thin
Spirited
Body size 25% (15-30% works but 25 seems best)
Horse Type 83% (80-85 works but 83 seems best)
HGP 61k+
Speed 60+
Strength 30+
Stamina 40+
Speed+Strength+Stamina needs to add up to at least 140


Each discipline has its own unique criteria.
I’ll post below what data I have again please note it may not be 100% accurate I don’t comp all of these disciplines and you may end up finding more finite numbers.

Height:
Type:
Weight:
Temperament :
Body Size
Type:
HGP:

Barrel Racing:
Agility, Speed, Strength, Balance
13.2h
Pony Type Med Light
Moderately Fleshy Weight
Spirited Temperament
Body Size 50%
Type 5%
Agility 50
Speed 50
Strength 30
Balance 30
HGP 64k+

Cross Country:
Stamina, Strength, Agility, Balance
16h+
Horse Type Med Light
Moderate Weight
Spirited Temperament
Body Size 50%
Type 50%
Stamina 60
Strength 50
Agility 40
Balance 25
63k HGP+

Cutting:
Height: 15.3h
Type: Horse Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament : Even-Tempered
Body Size 63%
Type: 52%
HGP: 60k+
Agility: 55
Intelligence N/A(High BR Comment)
Strength 30
Speed 30

Dressage:
Height: 18h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament : Calm/Bombproof
Body Size: 80%
Type: 50%
HGP: 66k+
Movement 65
Balance 40
Tempo 30
Strength 25

Driven Dressage:
Height: 17h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament : Calm/Bombproof
Body Size: 55%
Type: 55%
HGP: 64k+
Movement 65
Balance 35
Strength 30
Tempo 25

Endurance:
Height: 16h
Type: Horse Type Very Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament : BombProof
Body Size: 5%
Type: 95%
HGP: 66k+
Stamina: 60
Speed: 45
Agility: 40
Tempo: 30

Harness Racing:
Height: 18.2h
Type: Horse Type Very Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 22%
Type: 95%
HGP: 67k+
Speed 60
Stamina 40
Strength 30
Tempo 30

Hunter:
Height: Unknown
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 70%
Type: 50%
HGP: 65k+
Movement: 60
Strength 35
Tempo: 30
Balance: 30

In Hand Jumping:
Height: 8h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 50%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k+
Intelligence: N/A(High BR Comment)
Agility: 45
Strength: 45
Stamina: 45

Log Pull:
Height: 17h
Type: Pony Type- Very Heavy
Weight: Mod-Fleshy
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 95%
Type: 95%
HGP: 65k
Strength: 65
Stamina: 40
Movement: 35
Tempo: 20

Marathon Driving:
Height: Unknown (Speculation Short)
Type: Horse Type Medium Heavy
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 95%
Type: 50%
HGP: 64k
Strength: 65
Stamina: 50
Tempo: 30
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)

Obstical Driving:
Height: 14h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 90%
Type: 55%
HGP: 64k
Strength: 60
Agility: 50
Stamina: 50
Balance: 20

Pole Bending:
Height: 14h
Type: Horse Type Med-Light
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 60%
Type: 70%
HGP: 64k
Speed: 60
Agility: 50
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Balance: 30

Racing:
Height: 18h+
Type: Horse Type Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 25%
Type 83%
HGP 61k+
Speed 60
Strength 30
Stamina 40

Reining:
Height: 15h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Even Tempered
Body Size: 65%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k
Agility: 50
Strength: 40
Movement: 30
Balance: 25

Saddleseat:
Height: 15h
Type: Horse-Light
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 15%
Type: 80%
HGP: 63k+
Balance: 57
Agility: 42
Movement: 40
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)

Show Jumping:
Height: 20h
Type: Pony Type Med-Heavy
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 95-100%
Type: 60%
HGP: 68k+ HGp
Balance: 60
Strength: 40
Agility: 50
Speed: 30

Sprint Racing:
Height: 18h
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Thin
Temperament: High Strung
Body Size: 95%
Type: 55%
HGP: 60k+
Speed: 50
Strength: 40
Agility: 35

Steeplechase:
Height: 18h
Type: Horse Type Light
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Spirited
Body Size: 50%
Type: 85%
HGP: 64k+
Speed: 60
Agility: 45
Strength: 35
Stamina: 30

Western Pleasure:
Height: Unknown (Speculation Tall)
Type: Horse Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Bombproof
Body Size: 90%
Type: 50%
HGP: 67k+
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Balance: 60
Movement: 50
Tempo: 40

Western Trail:
Height: 15h+
Type: Pony Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Calm
Body Size: 50%
Type: 60%
HGP: 65k+
Agility: 50
Balance: 45
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Stamina: 30

Working Ranch:
Height: 16h+
Type: Pony Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Fleshy
Temperament: Even Tempered
Body Size: 50%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k+
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Agility: 50
Balance: 45
Strength: 40



How To Breed A World Record Breaker

Step One
Feed Horse 95% Yellow Corn

Step Two
Keep Horse In Barn

Step Three
Wait Till Horse Is 5 Years Old
Why 5?
At 5 Horses Stop Growing, There Are Now Zero Variables
IF
Horse Is Poor Weight(Lowest It Can Possibly Go)
Horse Is The Tallest It Will Ever Be (Done Growing)
Horse Is Completely High Strung (Temperament UnChanging)
ABSOLUTELY NO Training Prior To Testing


Step Four
Enter Local Shows Level 10
Record Results

Step Five
Record And Train Only The Best Scoring Horses
(Test at least 10 Locals)

Step Six
Only Breed Top Scoring Horses
Mares Will NOT Score As Well As Stallions. Figure Out What Scores You Desire For Breeding Stock Yourself.


Approximate Times Needed For Untrained Stallions To Beat Records

Barrels
24.05
Cross Country
33.8
Cutting
9.65
Dressage
33.89
Driven Dressage
38.77
Endurance
Final Score: 22.86
Harness Racing
02:53.59
Hunter
32.63
In Hand Jumping
Final Score: 02:13.34
Log Pull
41.6
Marathon Driving
30.9
Obstacles Driving
40.8
Pole Bending
31.30
Racing
02:16.79
Reining
38.15
Saddleseat
52.36
Show Jumping
Final Score:
03:28.20
Sprint Racing
44.94
Steeple Chase
11:43.46
Western Pleasure
41.30
Western Trail
39.87
Working Ranch
42.42


Note The Listed Times Are Approximation For RECORDS Not Just To Be Decent But Don’t Guarantee A Record.
Individual Heart In Competition As Well As YOUR Ability To Train And Compete Will Be A Massive Factor In Your Horses Performance In Actual Competitions.

Weight And Temperament For a Competition Are VERY Important Down To A Fine %. Test Your Trained Horses Thoroughly And Freeze Them When Competitive For Best Results.

Horses Build, Stats,HGP, And Height Are Still Important So The Above Discipline Guide Can Help There.

Also I’m Fairly Certain That Once COI Hits Around 100-120% Has Minimal Effects Anyways So Inbreed Away.



****

I also like to add I know a lot of people test newborns the reasons that does not work consistently is there are to many variables. Height is changing each turn which means weight is changing each turn as weight is not consistent until height has topped out(age 5) and temperament in newborns is inconsistent. Temperament isnt just bombproof-highstrung its a scale image a 0-100 and each set of numbers is a temperament. Say 0-19 bombproof 20-39 is calm 40-59 is even tempered 60-79 is spirited and 80-100 is highstrung. Just because a horse says its a temperament like high strung doesn’t mean its the right number. You may need an 80(like with racing) but have a 95. By taking a 5yr old who is done growing and has been consistently fed yellow corn you can strip away all variables leaving only the horses final natural ability to show in locals.

Basically when adjusting the weight and temperament you have to find the exact spot of perfect on the scale before competition. Your best bet is to slowly adjust and then freeze to compete.



Cheers!

I know this was 2 years ago, but Thank you for sharing the info and pinging me along dearest friend! Definitely going to save this in Word just in case if I need any of it. You've been very helpful and kind with this community! ♥