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Culling time again.

I'm getting closer and closer to the Tarpans that I want; I'm finding myself in the 55k-65k HGP range with semi-decent Evals.

It was probably a mistake trying to do Grades and Tarpans at the same time. I'm going to focus more on the Tarpans rather than the grades, I think. The majority of the culls will be from the grades, though there's some Tarpans that I've specifically marked to cull if I needed to.

Now for Tarpans:
Anything below 55k HGP will be culled or aged out.

Now for Grades:
Anything below 56k HGP will be culled or aged out.
Anything with large ears will be culled or aged out.
Anything with varnish will be culled or aged out.
Any eval less than 3* will be culled or aged out.

Edit: Did a bit of population control, but there's still more to be done. I'm a bit burnt out so I'm going to take a break from playing today.

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Things are going well! I have quite a few 95% Tarpans and a handful of 100% Tarpans that have 55,000+ HGP and eval rather well. Insofar none of the 100% Tarpans have Cream, but enough of the 95% ones do that I'm not worried; I'm sure I'll end up with a Dunskin or two by the end of this.

Grades are doing alright. Adding comments on their evals helped a lot; I'm getting better evals and better HGP, plus I'm getting some actual 100% Grade Horses. They're keeping the Tiger Eyes in some of the lines, which is super ideal. I don't overly want to have to pick up more Tiger Eye from the public studs if I don't have to; there's not a lot that're good for what I'm doing; Medium Heavy Pony-Type seems to be kind of rare, which is a shame.

Anyway, I'm thinking I might take a break. I'm getting burnt out again which sucks. I think I'll probably take a limited hiatus away from the game; I might pop in every now and then and do something, but I probably won't be as active as I have been in the past. I'm not quitting, though! Not when I've made so much progress into this. The hiatus will just help me not get tired of the game, and it'll be a good chance to just work on upgrading my skills.

Edit: I think I'm going to keep going, but very casually and maybe only a turn or two day. I do want to work on my training study that I'm doing, I just wish I could pause this project while I do so. It is what it is though.

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Just a list of the Tarpans I've bred insofar and my thoughts on them. This'll help me later when it comes to breeding them to a slightly higher standard than the current mix. This will include all 100% Tarpans within my farm on this account.

Editing this as I go.
Gen 0 || All horses that're used to breed Gen 1, regardless of actual parentage/generation
Gen 1 || All horses that're used to breed Gen 2, regardless of actual parentage/generation
Gen 2 || All horses that're used to breed Gen 3, regardless of actual parentage/generation
Gen 3 || Theoretically the end Generation; these horses should be within my targets and should have some Cream genes. At this point get age out any remainders of the previous Generations and freeze. This will be the Generation that makes Tarpan x Prze crosses.

Still need to add Tarpans from here: =====
Names with will have been added to this list already.

Male:

• Gen 0 || 0.10 || Bay Dun || 4* || 45,518 || 22.02% COI
  Stud; will not be used to make Tarpan x Prze crosses nor to further improve my Tarpans. Currently being used to create Gen 1 Tarpans. Will not be used in Gen 2.
• Gen 1 || 1.10 || Sooty Bay || 3* || 58,592 || 42.85% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: ML (Med-MedH) || Size: 49.5 (40-60) || Type: 58H (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.11 || Sooty Red Dun || 4* || 54,584 || 31.29% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 37.5 (40-60) || Type: 51P (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.12 || Bay Dun || 4* || 55,006 || 43.28% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: MH (Med-MedH) || Size: 57.5 (40-60) || Type: 61P (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.13 || Bay Dun || 4* || 57,655 || 42.75% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 55 (40-60) || Type: 52H (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.14 || Bay Dun || 4* || 52,074 || 29.41% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 53 (40-60) || Type: 54P (50P-70P)
  Kind of meh HGP, but the eval and COI make up for it.
• Gen 1 || 1.15 || Bay Dun || 3* || 59,183 || 37.02% COI
  Height: (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 61 (40-60) || Type: 52H (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.16 || Bay Dun || 4* || 54,043 || 43.71% COI
  Height: (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 57.5 (40-60) || Type: 52H (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.17 || Bay Dun || 2* || 57,096 || 35.61% COI
  Height: (11.3-14) || Build: MH (Med-MedH) || Size: 78.5 (40-60) || Type: 73P (50P-70P)
  Keeping for the extremes; he'll help balance out any lighter/Horse-Type Tarpans.
• Gen 1 || 1.18 || Varnish Bay Blanket || 5* || 53,790 || 30.92% COI
  Height: 11.3 (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 44.5 (40-60) || Type: 56P (50P-70P)
  Might not keep; I don't want the Blanket in my Mongolians.
• Gen 1 || 1.19 || Bay Dun || 5* || 54,961 || 35.34% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 40 (40-60) || Type: 59P (50P-70P)
• Gen 1 || 1.20 || Sooty Bay Dun || 3* || 54,710 || 39.52% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 56 (40-60) || Type: 57H (50P-70P)

Female:

• Gen 0 || 0.10 || Varnish Bay Dun (Snowflakes) || 4* || 46,531 || 31.69% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.11 || Bay Dun || 4* || 52,526 || 39.52% COI
  Height: 12.1 (11.3-14) || Build: MH (Med-MedH) || Size: 60.75 (40-60) || Type: 66P (50P-70P)
  Broodmare; will not be used to make Tarpan x Prze crosses. Currently being used to create Gen 1 Tarpans. Might be used to make Gen 2, else will be retired as Brood.
• Gen 0 || 0.12 || Bay Dun || 4* || 44,107 || 22.02% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.13 || Sooty Bay Dun || 5* || 46,417 || 59.37% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.14 || Varnish Bay (Snowflakes) || 3* || 51,338 || 47.71% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.15 || Bay Dun || 2* || 45,932 || 29.56% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.16 || Sooty Bay Dun || 3* || 47,097 || 59.26% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.17 || Bay Dun || 5* || 42,179 || 19.75% COI
  Retired.
• Gen 0 || 0.18 || Varnish Bay Dun (Snowflakes) || 5* || 48,389 || 32.73% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.19 || Sooty Red Dun || 5* || 49,776 || 36.43% COI
• Gen 0 || 0.20 || Sooty Bay Dun || 3* || 52,653 || 47.71% COI
  The above are all Broods that will be retired after Gen 1 is complete.
• Gen 1 || 1.10 || Bay Dun || 3* || 55,126 || 35.61% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 55.35 (40-60) || Type: 57H (50P-70P)
  
• Gen 1 || 1.11 || Bay Dun || 4* || 50,316 || 43.71% COI
  Height: ?? (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 54.45 (40-60) || Type: 53H (50P-70P)
  Unfortunate HGP, but decent eval. Keeping for now due to the eval, but may sell later if I breed better mares.
• Gen 1 || 1.12 || Varnish Bay (Snowflakes) || 2* || 50,921 || 44.55% COI
  Height: (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 38.25 (40-60) || Type: 52H (50P-70P)
  NOT KEEPING || For Sale
• Gen 1 || 1.13 || Red Dun || 3* || 55,650 || 29.41% COI
  Height: (11.3-14) || Build: M (Med-MedH) || Size: 44.55 (40-60) || Type: 51H (50P-70P)

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I've realized I haven't gone too much into detail about my Generations, so here we go:

Generation 0 are the founding Tarpans. These are the 100% Tarpans that I already had that weren't good enough for my Mongolians, the AC Tarpans, etc. These are the 50%-95% crosses that bring the stats from 30k HGP to 57k HGP. These are the horses that got us from point A to point B, basically.

Generation 1 are the first layer of 100% Tarpans that have been born from Gen 0. They'll also be Tarpan [+1], Tarpan [+2] etc. until the targets for the next generation are met. This is the buffer stage between the Crosses and the Purebreds where we breed in better HGP and Evals via the stock that we have.

Generation 2 is as follows: HGP between 55k-60k (higher is welcome but not expected), Evals at 4*-5* for Mongolian, and decent mixture of Non-Cream, 1x Cream, and 2x Cream. Any that don't fit these specifications will be rehomed or sold. This is the buffer layer between the Purebreds and the Creams.

Generation 3 is the end generation. This is as follows: HGP between 57k-60k (higher is welcome but not expected), Evals at 5* for Mongolian, a mixture of 1x-2x Cream. Any that don't fit these specifications may or may not be sold or rehomed, but more likely may be stored away for later use in something else.

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I'm currently starting to enter Gen 1. I'm gaining a growing number of decent 100% Tarpans to use, but I'm disappointed that there's not as many Creams as I was hoping. I do have a pretty amazing Silver Buckskin Colt that might just be able to skip to Gen 2, if not Gen 3. I'd like to get rid of the Silver first if possible, though. I'm putting all of the 100% Tarpans into my freeze account upon breeding maturity; I'd like to get them sorted, then age out all other horses on my farm so that I can have all the room I need.

I'm going to start putting anything below 95% Tarpan into my age-out pastures. I want to try to get a Perlino or Cremello 100% Tarpan before putting away the 95%s in my freeze account. I'm not overly worried about the stats of that, I'd just like it to be above 50k HGP and at least 3* for Mongolian. Better stats can be bred in later.

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I'm also adding this for my grade horses, if only for my benefit moving forward.

Generation 0 are the founding "Grades". These are the horses that aren't actually classified as Grade Horses.

Generation 1 are the actual first crop of Grade Horses. These are noted as Grade Horses breed-wise. These will be used to improve each other for future generations.

Generation 2 is as follows: HGP between 55k-60k (higher is welcome but not expected), Evals at 3*-5* for Mongolian, and decent mixture of Non-Cream, 1x Cream, and 2x Cream. They should also have 1-2 Tiger Eye genes. Any that don't fit these specifications will be rehomed or sold. This is the buffer layer between the first set and the finished crosses.

Generation 3 is the end generation. This is as follows: HGP between 57k-60k (higher is welcome but not expected), Evals at 4-5* for Mongolian, a mixture of 0x-1x-2x Cream, preferably on a Chestnut Base. They should also all have 2x Tiger Eye. Any that don't fit these specifications may or may not be sold or rehomed, but more likely may be stored away for later use in something else.

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I've already entered into Gen 1 of Grades and am moving toward Gen 2. My current crop are noted as Grade Horses, but don't meet the qualifications for Gen 2; most don't have Tiger Eye genes, for example. As this is how I'm putting those genes into my future Mongolians, I need those to be present.

I've already begun aging and culling Gen 0 of my Grade Horses. I'm going to put any that fit Gen 2 into my freeze account. I'm hoping that I'll get to a good point with both my Tarpans and my Grades at the same time, if only so that I can have those all frozen and use a grinder to quickly age everything else out on my farm. I'll probably not have enough space for both breeds, so I might have to purge my freeze farm of horses again.

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I'm feeling well enough to play again, though my internet isn't any better yet. I still have to wait until I'm fully better before that's a thing. Anyway, I've decided I have enough Tarpans to make up Gen 1. I'm beginning to store away some of the better 95% Tarpans in preparation of mass-aging the horses currently in my farm. I think I counted over 20 100% Tarpan foals that need to age up before I can fully get into Generations 1 and 2.

I'm also going to be pulling out my Grade horses as they reach breeding age. My goal is to completely empty this account's farm before I continue forward. I'm also emptying my freeze account of some MISC horses that I don't mind aging out or rehoming. The majority of those will probably be aged out.

Meanwhile in the background I'm collecting some Przewalski Horses for that half of the equation. I'm not sure that I want to undergo this huge project of improving Przes when I have one 5* high HGP one that I can use, but at the same time I don't want to be lazy with my Mongolians. We'll see how many I end up with when the time comes.

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It's been a while, hasn't it? My apologies to anyone who's been keeping up with the Maelstroms' progress.

I'm currently getting Conformations done for my current Tarpans and Grades! With this done I'll be able to pick and choose who to keep for future breeding. The leftovers will be sold publicly (preferably) and any that don't sell will unfortunately be rehomed.

Once that's done I'll look into breeding the Przewalskis.

I haven't yet decided on what to aim for with these Mongolians. They could be a good grinder line, possibly. They could be good competitors as well. It'd be cool to breed for a record holder, but I also am not sure that I have that kind of dedication and patience.

I'm thinking currently that they'll be both Grinders and Competitors. If my memory serves me well, I think I used some horses with decent heart in my Tarpans' bloodlines. That's no guarantee that they'll perform well, but hopefully it helped. I've (vaguely) narrowed it down to either Western Trail or Working Ranch for their discipline, but we'll see. I'm thinking I'll take a few of the resulting Mongolians, train them, enter into both disciplines, and focus on whichever has the higher average of points.

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I've gotten the confos all done for both the first phase of Tarpans and the first phase of Grades.

I've gone back through the possible disciples and according to Frost's Guide, these are the ones that Mongolians will be best suited to:

Mongolians:
Height: 11.3-14
Build: Med-MedH
Size: 40-60
Type: 50P-70P

Western Trail:
Height: 15h+
Type: Pony Type Medium
Weight: Moderate
Temperament: Calm
Body Size: 50%
Type: 60%
HGP: 65k+
Agility: 50
Balance: 45
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Stamina: 30

Working Ranch:
Height: 16h+
Type: Pony Type Medium
Weight: Mod-Fleshy
Temperament: Even Tempered
Body Size: 50%
Type: 50%
HGP: 60k+
Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment)
Agility: 50
Balance: 45
Strength: 40

60k+ HGP will be more easily attainable than 65k HGP, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to do. Temperaments may be an issue; I don't recall if most of my Tarpans started at BP but that's where most (if not all) of them are currently.

My best evaluating Tarpan is this guy though he isn't a great evaluation for Mongolian. Regardless, I'm using him as a baseline. His confo is as follows:

SPE 28 | STR 31 | STA 31 | INT N/A | BAL 29 | MOV 54 | AGI 32 | TEM 33

Trail wants: Agility: 50, Balance: 45, Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment), Stamina: 30
Ranch wants: Intelligence: N/A (High BR Comment), Agility: 50, Balance: 45, Strength: 40

Therefore the numbers we care about are:
AGI 32, BAL 29, INT N/A (Einstein, Gold = 95.7/100), STR 31, STA 31

Agility is 31/50. (Used for both disciplines)
Balance is 29/45. (Used for both disciplines)
Intelligence is high, scoring at 95.7/100 possible points. (Used for both disciplines)
Strength is 31/40. (Used for Working Ranch)
Stamina is 31/30. (Used for Western Trail)

More work is needed to narrow down to a discipline between the best suited two. Intelligence is at a good place but can be improved if I wish to try. Stamina is at a decent place but can certainly be improved, though should not be at the cost of the other important stats. The rest need to be improved by a good margin.

I'll have to consider the BR comments as well; they're separate somewhat from the conformations. I think of it as the confo being physical genetics and the BR being natural talent. Natural talent is just as important as physical conformation.

With this knowledge gained, my current plan is:
-Remove any horses with AGI/BAL/STR/STA below 20
-Remove any horses with a non-gold INT comment (unless the confo/HGP is good)

This will certainly remove some of the lower quality Tarpans and Grades without getting rid of all of them I hope. Ideally I'll be left with my higher quality stock to continue work on later. I'll update this if needed after sorting through everything.

Quick edit: I'm realizing that removing low strength and low stamina might not matter if I choose one discipline versus another; those're the two that're different between Trail and Ranch. As such I'll be keeping sub-20s for STR and STA.

Edit 2: Conformation cull removed 4 horses total. I'm now looking into BR comments.

Edit 3: BR cull has removed 1 additional horse. One other had a no-color comment, but made up for it in conformation.

Edit 4: That's removed 5 horses total. That's a decent start, though I'd love to get rid of more in the future. To do so I'll likely consider the BR comments for Agility and Balance and cull any without a green-gold in those. I must consider at the moment that this is only the first generation. I intend to do another generation of crossing to boost the HGP up higher (preferably into the 60k+ area) which will definitely alter things. This is currently about laying a foundation to make something solid upon later.

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I'm considering broadening the colors allowed for this herd in order to help decrease the number of frozen horses. I'm realizing if I prioritize cream genes then I might end up with lower HGP horses as some of my better Tarpans and Grades aren't actually Cream.

I'm realizing as well that I'll likely get tired of the same color being born over and over and over again. I think allowing more color variance into the herd will keep things interesting for me in the future when I start more actively creating these Mongolians.

It's something I'll have to think about; I do quite like how Sooty Dunlianos look in this game, but I don't think the color justifies a lower quality of horse.

Something else I'm considering is getting all of the Tarpan Stallions trained and doing competition testing with them. I'd like to cull down to the best three studs max. This will be easier if I do intend to trash the selective coloration as I'm sure some won't be cream or sooty or dun. I'm also considering doing the same with the mares and limiting them to six.

Unfortunately I don't think there's many trainers out and about right now and I know that it'll take me a long, long time to do this. We'll see how it goes.

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Hi everyone. I'm not sure if there was anyone who was overly interested in watching these guys blossom into existence, but sadly I have come to the decision to discontinue this project.

I'm looking to pass this project on to someone who has more interest in it. I'll be posting a sales forum about it in just a moment.

Hopefully someone will take this over, but if not then that's alright. Have a good day!