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Is it possible,,

Postby Horpse » October 13th, 2021, 9:31 pm

Horpse here,

Just wondering if it is possible to develope a LP patterned horse without it having any greying. Is it possible? Or is greying just apart of the ‘leoparding’ process? This has bothered me bc I have not seen ONCE a horse without greying and it’s super ugly when it greys :? :? (No offense to any horse lovers out there)

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby ramcminn » October 14th, 2021, 7:21 am

Horpse wrote:Horpse here,

Just wondering if it is possible to develope a LP patterned horse without it having any greying. Is it possible? Or is greying just apart of the ‘leoparding’ process? This has bothered me bc I have not seen ONCE a horse without greying and it’s super ugly when it greys :? :? (No offense to any horse lovers out there)


I could truly do with the varnishing or else it needs to be toned down. I breed Appaloosas and it's very frustrating because they are not as pretty as they should be.

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby Cypress Creek Elites » October 14th, 2021, 2:51 pm

Horpse wrote:Horpse here,

Just wondering if it is possible to develope a LP patterned horse without it having any greying. Is it possible? Or is greying just apart of the ‘leoparding’ process? This has bothered me bc I have not seen ONCE a horse without greying and it’s super ugly when it greys :? :? (No offense to any horse lovers out there)

If you have strong enough pangare it eliminates a lot of the varnishing (it also makes buckskin, palomino etc look a few shades lighter, which is very pretty). It is by no means an easy fix, and it doesn't cover everything, but it does tone it down significantly
Ex. him and any of his relatives

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby BlackOak2 » October 14th, 2021, 4:56 pm

Horpse wrote:Horpse here,

Just wondering if it is possible to develope a LP patterned horse without it having any greying. Is it possible? Or is greying just apart of the ‘leoparding’ process? This has bothered me bc I have not seen ONCE a horse without greying and it’s super ugly when it greys :? :? (No offense to any horse lovers out there)


Varnishing, like most colors on this game, is, indeed, able to be manipulated in part for different variations. Though we can never have Lp without varnishing being present, there is the ability to have strong varnish and weak varnish. A really strong varnish can start to come in even before the foal is a yearling. Weak varnish will only dust the color of the horse and begin to bring out hidden spots and that's about it. I don't currently have any foals with varnish already showing, but I believe I have some of the weak or late varnish ones. Let me check...
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Yes, I do have a couple examples. For the most part, varnish tends to stop affecting the horse (changing appearance) at about 15 years. Though there is some additional changes, what you see at 15 is about as much as it'll change.
This one at 15 years

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As a yearling.
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At six years.
Black bases tend to show more changes than other colors.
15 years

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Yearling.
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5 years.
15 years

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Yearling.
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5 years.
And here's one that isn't mine, but is an ancestor of those above.
17 years.

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7 years.
I suspect this last one is a silver buckskin with an epic style of sooty.
None of these horses were bred to produce a weakened version of varnish. So without too much effort, weaker versions were acquired.
With heavy culling and selective breeding, one should be able to breed an almost varnish free version. How far? I haven't seen anybody offer their work yet. I don't know (I can't recall) if anybody has tackled such a project.
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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby Horpse » October 14th, 2021, 9:32 pm

Cypress Creek Elites wrote:
Horpse wrote:Horpse here,

Just wondering if it is possible to develope a LP patterned horse without it having any greying. Is it possible? Or is greying just apart of the ‘leoparding’ process? This has bothered me bc I have not seen ONCE a horse without greying and it’s super ugly when it greys :? :? (No offense to any horse lovers out there)

If you have strong enough pangare it eliminates a lot of the varnishing (it also makes buckskin, palomino etc look a few shades lighter, which is very pretty). It is by no means an easy fix, and it doesn't cover everything, but it does tone it down significantly
Ex. him and any of his relatives


oh yeah wow, that’s probably the best lp i’ve seen so far :shock:

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby ramcminn » October 15th, 2021, 7:11 am

Cypress Creek Elites wrote:
Horpse wrote:Horpse here,

Just wondering if it is possible to develope a LP patterned horse without it having any greying. Is it possible? Or is greying just apart of the ‘leoparding’ process? This has bothered me bc I have not seen ONCE a horse without greying and it’s super ugly when it greys :? :? (No offense to any horse lovers out there)

If you have strong enough pangare it eliminates a lot of the varnishing (it also makes buckskin, palomino etc look a few shades lighter, which is very pretty). It is by no means an easy fix, and it doesn't cover everything, but it does tone it down significantly
Ex. him and any of his relatives


Would you consider a couple of breeding to my Appy mares? He is the most gorgeous color.

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby Cypress Creek Elites » October 15th, 2021, 11:58 am

ramcminn wrote:
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Would you consider a couple of breeding to my Appy mares? He is the most gorgeous color.

For sure! I’ll put him up for stud, either of you are welcome to use him :)

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby ramcminn » October 16th, 2021, 6:42 am

Cypress Creek Elites wrote:
ramcminn wrote:
Horpse wrote:


Would you consider a couple of breeding to my Appy mares? He is the most gorgeous color.

For sure! I’ll put him up for stud, either of you are welcome to use him :)


Thank you so so much! He is gorgeous and I can't wait for the foals! :D

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Re: Is it possible,,

Postby ramcminn » October 16th, 2021, 6:42 am

ramcminn wrote:
Cypress Creek Elites wrote:
ramcminn wrote:
Would you consider a couple of breeding to my Appy mares? He is the most gorgeous color.

For sure! I’ll put him up for stud, either of you are welcome to use him :)


Thank you so so much! He is gorgeous and I can't wait for the foals! Let me know if I can ever return the favor! :D


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