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[Royale Ranch]

~Royale Arabians~

Yes... i'm sorry... there are already a million other breeding communities for Arabians...and I've already made about a million posts... jk but this IS SEPARATE from my farm log, and is NOT YOUR STANDARD ARABIAN BREEDING COMMUNITY:

simple: Royalty are a step above everyone else, right? well, I want to create those Arabians. unique, incredibly high stat Arabians, Arabians that everyone will recognise- Royal Arabians

I have a number of goals in mind for this project, but they are kind of scattered at the moment:
1.) (and this one is definite!) increase conformation, as high as possible
2.) create a unique appearance (leopard, or pinto - or something )
3.) and of course, Brand recognition

but first, i need some data ....... what is the highest confirmation ever found in an arabian on HWO?
what is the highest speed? strength? stamina? you get the picture.. can any stat be maxed out at about 68? or is that only for speed? and if movement is supposed to be a weak point in arabians, why do my horses have movement at around 50 when stamina is much lower, (a supposedly strong point?) can anyone help?

[Wingless Flight]

I've noticed some of these things too. Without breeding for movement its quite high... Even from the adoption centre you can see high movement conformation pretty often. I guess people just haven't bred it out of the lines. And if you want arabians that actually look like arabians they're not going to have the highest conformation in stamina.

[Royale Ranch]

I've noticed some of these things too. Without breeding for movement its quite high... Even from the adoption centre you can see high movement conformation pretty often. I guess people just haven't bred it out of the lines. And if you want arabians that actually look like arabians they're not going to have the highest conformation in stamina.

great to see a reply
Okay, that is very interesting, thanks!

to be honest, I dont know a lot about horses at all...especially not in reality. - so I wouldnt be able to tell you much about what an arabian is actually supposed to look like...

at this stage, I think my best option is to get stats as high as possible, then change the appearance (and yes, it will drag stats down, i think... or is this the opposite way to go around things?

[Wingless Flight]

Don't worry, I don't know much either. I just really love arabians. I've looked up the breed standard an am going with that to develop the looks of my arabians.

Which is basically:
short face
dished face
thick jowl
long neck
deep flank
balanced croup
short back
rounded hip to make it more even with croup
and high tail carriage of course

The words I've made red affect stamina negatively and green affects it positively.

It gives the breed its very dostinctive (and in my opinion gorgeous) look. And yes, I'd say definitely continue with the way you're doing it. I definitely wouldn't recommend my method I focus on way too many things at once it takes forever .



Maybe look at endurance record holders to see what their max stamina conformation is. Alternatively, check your horses with extremes in stamina related aspects of conformation and see what the max stamina values are. Add all those together and you can get an idea of max stamina. Although I'm not sure if there's a hase value of 10 or something for conformation stats.

[ArabianKnights]

Ive been breeding arabians here for a while. At first i started out breeding for the popular coloring. But over the years i slowly started breeding arabians that are more like there breed. For example: arabians that are not 18 hands or 20 hands. Most of my horses are 14 hands to 15.3 hands. I wont buy anything that is going to taller then 15.3 I also dont breed to stallions that are huge.

Im also slowly collecting horses with the fanicer tail bed like these mare

Skippin Freeze

Chosen


Or disher faces as possible like this little mare

Small Red Arrow


Im also focusing on stats only Green and Gold stats are allowed in my farm with a few exceptions like these guys

March Skys

Kronos Serenade


Alot of my stallions yet are 18 hands and over but i had these back when height was popular but im hoping to breed them to my smaller mares to transfer there stats to them

[Royale Ranch]

thanks for your interest! i will replay - just later, when i can think more and concentrate on what you've said

[Royale Ranch]

to most - if not all - people who actually look at this - sorry i know in advance it possibly wont make sense. long story short, im crossbreeding my arabians with other horses to increase the stamina level in my arabians...


Many, many thanks to BlackOak for their assistance with my project this far

Horses Kept from last batch of foals:

colt:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656334

fillies:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656346
- "this fillies endurance is higher than average"
- stamina: 37
- 88% arabian

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1655287
- Your filly could run all day and not be tired!
- stamina:44
- 80% Arabian

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656328
- Your filly could run all day and not be tired!
- stamina: 36
- 65% arabian

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656329
- Your filly could run all day and not be tired!
- stamina: 56
- 65% Arabian

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656335
- This filly has great stamina.
- Stamina: 55
- 65% Arabian


Current Batch of foals:

Colts:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656690
Who sold you this beast? He's got no natural strength whatsoever! What more can I say? This colt has about average speed. Your colt has a lot of endurance. Doesn't look like this colt moves very well. When it comes to tempo, your colt is pretty average. Your colt is pretty balanced. Not only is this colt lithe, he's quick about it as well. Bloody colt is smart! Too smart!
HGP: 51
COI:38.21%
Arabian: 65%
Speed 24
Strength 18
Stamina 42
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 35
Movement 31
Agility 43
Tempo 32
Opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656703
I cannot be certain, but it seems he'll grow into a strong colt. With a little training, this colt could become renowned for his speed. This colt has great stamina. This colt is very average, even in the way he moves. This colt is very steady. Nice colt! Really knows how to keep himself balanced. This colt isn't very agile nor is he stiff. This colt could be the next Einstein!
HGP: 63
COI: 74.32
Arabian: 88%
Speed 30
Strength 24
Stamina 51
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 52
Movement 46
Agility 34
Tempo 37
Opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656704
With a little training, he'll grow into quite a strong colt. Real fast colt you've got here! This colt has an extraordinary amount of endurance! Boy that colt moves well, he should do pretty well for you. When it comes to tempo, your colt is pretty average. This colt could do ballet he has such perfect balance! Appears to be a very agile colt, should do good for you. This colt is pretty bright.
HGP: 57
COI: 77.26
Arabian: 65%
Speed 23
Strength 24
Stamina 50
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 39
Movement 47
Agility 26
Tempo 38
opinion:


Fillies:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656692
I wouldn't get your hopes up about this one, she's rather weak. Well, her natural speed is good. Might want to consider racing this one. This filly has great stamina. I've seen perfect movement and I've seen just plain awful movement. This filly's pace corresponds with that of a high school drummer; too fast and too frequent! This filly is a nice ride, very well balanced. This filly is quick on its hooves. Bloody filly is smart! Too smart!
HGP: 50
COI:65%
Arabian: 88%
Speed 33
Strength 22
Stamina 40
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 38
Movement 41
Agility 42
Tempo 30
opinion:


http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656694
I wouldn't get your hopes up about this one, she's rather weak. Real fast filly you've got here! Your filly could run all day and not be tired! This filly takes steady, certain strides. This filly has an average pace. This filly's balance is average. Seems fairly agile, but hard to say for sure. Bloody filly is smart! Too smart!
HGP: 48
COI: 72
Arabian: 99%
Speed 44
Strength 24
Stamina 35
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 24
Movement 41
Agility 34
Tempo 32
opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656695
Not all horses can be strong. Unfortunately, your filly is one of those. Well, her natural speed is good. Might want to consider racing this one. This filly has great stamina. At first glance, I'd say this filly can't move for grapes. At second glance, I'd second my first glance. When it comes to tempo, your filly is pretty average. Your filly is pretty balanced. Seems fairly agile, but hard to say for sure. This filly is a genius!
HGP: 48
COI: 33
Arab: 76
Speed 26
Strength 27
Stamina 37
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 22
Movement 41
Agility 39
Tempo 27
opinion

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656697
Not all horses can be strong. Unfortunately, your filly is one of those. She isn't the fastest filly around, but she isn't the slowest either. This filly has great stamina. About average movement, nothing special here. Your filly has a good tempo about her. This filly is a nice ride, very well balanced. Your filly looks to be as agile as most. This filly is a genius!
HGP:51
COI:65
Arab:88
Speed 31
Strength 25
Stamina 42
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 38
Movement 32
Agility 45
Tempo 34
opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656699
I'd say this filly has an average amount of strength. Real fast filly you've got here! Wow, you'd be making a mistake not to compete in endurance events with this filly! This filly walks in a perfect manner. This filly has an average pace. With such perfect symmetry, it's only natural that this filly would have nice balance. This filly is very spry! Your filly is as bright as an honor student.
HGP: 53
COI: 65
Arab: 50
Speed 25
Strength 26
Stamina 52
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 42
Movement 47
Agility 29
Tempo 36
opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656700
I'd say this filly has an average amount of strength. Your filly is quick on her hooves. This filly has plenty of vitality and, in turn, plenty of stamina. This filly falls right in the middle, movement-wise. This filly's tempo is like clockwork! Nice filly! Really knows how to keep herself balanced. This filly is quick on its hooves. Bloody filly is smart! Too smart!
HGP: 62
COI:77
Arab:65
Speed 31
Strength 19
Stamina 49
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 46
Movement 46
Agility 42
Tempo 33
opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656701
I cannot be certain, but it seems she'll grow into a strong filly. Your filly is about as fast as average. Your filly could run all day and not be tired! This filly walks in a perfect manner. Your filly keeps time well. This beauty has a decent amount of balance. I've never seen such an agile horse! This filly could be the next Einstein!
HGP: 61
COI:55
Arab: 65%
Speed 24
Strength 21
Stamina 37
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 38
Movement 40
Agility 31
Tempo 31
opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656702
Fairly strong filly, from what I can tell. This filly isn't too fast or too slow. This filly's endurance is higher than average. Boy that filly moves well, she should do pretty well for you. When it comes to tempo, your filly is pretty average. This filly could do ballet she has such perfect balance! Your filly is very nimble. This filly is definitely intelligent. Really knows her stuff!
HGP: 55
COI: 72
Arab: 76
Speed 26
Strength 32
Stamina 42
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 39
Movement 52
Agility 27
Tempo 39
opinion:

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1656706
This is as strong a filly as any. Real fast filly you've got here! This one can keep going forever! Doesn't even break a sweat. Boy that filly moves well, she should do pretty well for you. This filly's tempo is like clockwork! Nice filly! Really knows how to keep herself balanced. This filly is quick on its hooves. This filly is a genius!
HGP: 64
COI:104
Arab: 88%
Speed 23
Strength 28
Stamina 35
Intelligence Conformation does not affect Intelligence
Balance 41
Movement 47
Agility 34
Tempo 35
opinion:

well - there tis.. havent written in the opinions in.

Ping

If possible, i would love your opinions per horse as well

[Avrielle]

If you want a little boost in getting the Stamina up in your Arabians I wouldn't mind studding this guy out for you http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1615317. I would just warn you that Varnish is quite heavy in my lines and the COI is a bit up there at 120%. However, this is the highest I've achieved so far in Stamina and even though he is no longer useful for my current Arabian breeding program, I freeze his age on whichever account I'm not currently working on, so he'll always be around if you want to use him.

The biggest issue with raising Stamina in Arabians comes from the face length. That's a lot of the reason behind why I haven't worked too hard to lower the COI in my lines yet because most Arabians that are available for stud have very short to only medium length faces.

[BlackOak2]

...

From first of the new crop.
Colts
1656690 - I have mixed feelings on this colt. He looks good on paper, but personally I think they could've thrown a better foal. Since you're not excited about keeping colts, I would lean toward culling him. Except for his low COI, I don't really see a value in hanging onto him.

1656703 - This colt is 'good enough'. For my project, he would be passed for the stud shed but only to a great mare. His movement appears to all come from conformation, otherwise I would say that he was a good movement son of Ladies Man. That very first colt that was green-lighted (super stud), is a much better colt than this one. Keeping that in mind, I'd cull this colt as well.

1656704 - I like the mare of this colt. She appears to have good genes for these stats: strength, speed, (stamina), movement, balance. Saying that however, I think most of the stamina likely comes from conf eval rather than strong genes. I think what likely happened is he received good genes from Ladies Man and good conf from the mare, which boosted his comment and his stat number really high. I'm mixed on this colt. He could provide a quality 'example' of what you're striving to achieve for stamina, visually at least. But he has decent genes in my opinion, to pass on. So what's my final opinion? I think I'd use him on fresh mares to determine what their abilities are, because I think he has 'upward' heading genes (genes that lean toward getting better rather than worse). I'd also use him on AC mares as a good foundation point. Fresh blood is always nice and at least he would provide two services in this case, he would weed out the weak genes of unknown AC mares (just like other fresh, blooded mares), and any foals from AC mares would get an injection of 'upward' heading genes. That would be what I would use this colt for. He is not a 'super stud', but I would consider him a 'regulation stud', one that helps regulate certain genes, or a 'seeker/finder' stud, one that weeds out weaker genes. It's up to you whether you want a colt like this. Culling him wouldn't necessarily be a loss for you since you already have a nice colt from Ladies Man.

Fillies
1656692 - Let me digress a little for the stud: Zelda's Rebellion. I have mixed feelings about him. He is definitely weak on strength (no surprise), I would consider his stamina ability average (not great, far from bad), he seems to through both conf and report stat for stamina, but neither is perfect. He does seem to through alright balance genes and very nice intelligence genes. Personally, if he doesn't throw one nice 'keeper' in five foals, I'd skip him for future pairings, but only because he doesn't seem to have what you need. He might be a good candidate for pairing with the mare I liked just above, they may be perfect. Now back to this filly. Her parents should've thrown a better foal then they did. I don't like her at all. But sometimes the genes just come together from both parents in one of the worst ways. This filly in my opinion would be a cull filly.

1656694 - Again with the Zelda stud. I think the parents could've thrown a better foal. I don't much care for this filly either, I think her positive points, except for stamina, came mostly from the mare. That being said, I've had times when even my best producers seem to go through a funk. I've had 'years' when I was getting nothing but trash from all of my studs and mares when I know they can throw great offspring. It happens, and that may be what this stud just happens to be throwing right now. However, consistently throwing quality genes should be a requirement. I'd cull this filly as well.

1656695 - This filly really shows, in my opinion, just the type of genes the Zelda stud and even the mare carries for stamina. Not only did she not pull the genes down that the stud passed on, but she did pull the conf eval number down. So the stud (and the mare), both have good stamina genes. He just doesn't have the best of the other genes. This appears to be the only thing going for this filly however. She would be a keeper in my book, but at the very bottom of the barrel and she'd only be matched up with studs that have quality other genes (of which I have a good mix for my projects). For you, because of her weak other genes, you may not want to keep her, regardless of the fact that Zelda threw this filly with good stamina genes for you, there will always be others that fit the bill, so the question to keep her or cull her for you would be: Do you want to risk pulling down the stats of your herd by injecting her genes into it? The answer you have will tell you whether to cull her or keep her.

1656697 - This is definitely a cull filly in my opinion. She lost the gold tempo and balance of her mother and they're not even green. So they dropped two grades, I don't always use this as a mark, but when the parents are so close in HGP, I expect the resulting offspring to be somewhere 'smack-dab' in the middle of the parents, leaning a little to one side or the other. However, she seems to be leaning much more heavily toward the stud with the comments, even as her HGP leans more toward the mare. She would simply be a pairing failure in my book.

1656699 - This filly is what I mean by 'smack-dab' in the middle. She takes a couple of the really good from her sire (the better parent), yet remembers to eye up the best of the mare (the weaker parent), marked by the movement comment (even if it appears that it comes from conf rather than genes). I like this filly, she's not the best Ladies Man has given you, however she may be the best the mare can offer up. This filly would be the 'mare replacement' in my projects. Often I would retire the dam after an offspring like this. Definitely a keeper in my opinion.

1656700 - I don't like this filly from Ladies Man. This is probably one of the worst I've seen him throw so far. She's got some good points: tempo, balance, agility; but these are expected when the mare shows the same strengths in the same spots as the stud. Speed and strength is arguably perhaps stronger than some of his other foals, but this filly fails in stamina in my opinion. It's just a failure foal. I would cull her. Her full sister is much better than she is. I'd move this mare on to another stud, but that's my opinion.

1656701 - This filly appears to be average. She would become a brood in my bloodlines but I'd never match her up to a weaker stud. This is the type of mare that I'd use to help solidify the genes of the herd. A basic all-rounder mare, she would be matched up to studs that are proven to not weaken the stats that she may be weak in: movement & balance (both offer too high conf score so probably indicate weaker genes). I'd keep her.

1656702 - This is another failure filly. She didn't keep her mother's good points and she certainly didn't take any of her father's either. She does reveal, however, that both of her parents tempo is not very strong. Definitely a cull filly in my book. I'd probably not use the stud on this mare again either, they appear to enhance each other's weaknesses instead of their strengths, but some pairs seem to do just that.

1656706 - I like this filly. This is another that's 'smack-dab' right in the middle. In fact, I think she's about perfect and the best that this pair might produce. That being said, personally I'd try to make a full sibling, but just because I'm greedy. She's a bit weak in movement (high conf score without at least a green comment), but that's what Ladies Man appears to throw. Definitely a keeper.

Those are my opinions on your batch of foals. Ladies Man offers some good genes in areas that arabs often lack but also has good genes in stamina, he's a decent stud. How much injection of his particular genes will you need? Your COI will climb again if you use him for all of your lines. Plus if his weaker genes become too ingrained in your herd, you'll have trouble in other stats. These are the things you should consider before they become an issue and decide how many foals should he father before you move on to another stud. If they're not an issue for you, then all's good. I think he's been used enough and thrown enough foals to determine just what he lacks so you can make an informed decision to just how many foals you want to keep from him. For me, I'd use him until he father's somewhere between 35 and 40 percent of the entire herd to fix his good genes solidly in the bloodline (in 100 head of horses, that would be 35 to 40 foals), but my COI is quite low.

[Lcameron]

you should check out my arab project barns and feilds and see if u see any u like